i need help with brake shoes and cylinders on 410

[dazerede]

Ye they are exactly the same but my axle is decently a 410 as I checked the ratio like 5 hours ago

So guys what should I do and what should I buy as I need to order it this week

[Ladaman]

If it was me, I'd take a cylinder and set of shoes to a local motor factors and show them to the people there.

I wouldn't buy from eBay or mail order. If you get the wrong bits the hassle changing them will be far worse than the few quid cheaper they might be.

[andyrew]

I would say your zooks runing a spanish rear axle. Tbh id be inclind
To keep the spanish set up. No fafing with bleeding the brakes
After changing a wheel bearing. The jap set up requires the whole back plate
To be taken off and generally makes it awkward

Are you going to be replacing the backplate that got damaged?

[andyrew]

Or go rear disk

[dazerede]

The back plate is not to bad got to bleed brakes anyway as there is a split in the line on the rear axle

I would love to get rear disc conversion but i don't want too many mods on my zook for insurance wise

What should I do get the Sammy rear shoes and cylinders

JUST MEASURED THE DRUMS INSIDE AND THE DRUMS ON MY ZOOK IS 23MM AND THE INSIDE ON MY SPARE AXLE DRUM IS 22MM

SO I AM CONFUSED AS THEY ARE BOTH 410 AXLES

[Darrell]

As Andy says your spare is a 410 Japanese axle without handbrake 220 mm diameter drums.
The axle you had fitted is a 410 Spanish (Santana) with handbrake 229mm diameter drums.
The samurai uses the same size drums but the listing showed 2 different cylinder types.
The listings only showed 1 cylinder type for the 410 with handbrake incorporated.

The Spanish version is nice as in you can change wheel bearings without undoing the hydraulics and the cylinders/shoes are the cheapest.
However you do seem to be missing the self adjusting mechanism from one side.

[ScottieJ]

I'm still not convinced that the 410 ever came with the handbrake on the rear drums in the UK, my dads is a 89 Spanish model 410 and that still had the tbox handbrake, I'm pretty sure 89 was the last year you could get sj410s in the UK I could be wrong but I'm going with someone has fitted samurai rear brakes to it in the past. Even called my dad to ask and he's never seen a 410 with the handbrake in the rear drums and he's been working on Suzuki's since I was in nappies

[dazerede]

Ok Chears darrell so that means I have a 410 Santana rear axle on my zook

So just to make sure can u tell me what shoes and cylinders I need for my 410 santana rear axle just to make sure with the drum inside 229mm

[Darrell]

Brakesinternational site shows

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As posted before.


The Samurai axel (if fitted) has a choice of 2 cylinders. So which of these 2 do you have.

[andyrew]

Im guessing that spanish sami shoes are an identical design to the 410 ones but just have the lever
There. So i cant see no real reason why they wont work. Thell just have an extra bit dangling on them.