Suzuki Vitara Rossini

[yarroworchid]

Hi.I have a 1994 Vitara Rossini. Should this have a catalytic converter, ECU and sensor? its just that mine does not have these and shows no sign of ever having them...Can someone help plz..K

[dan_2k_uk]

The one I took the engine from for my Sammy was a 94 and carbed so I guess you are OK.

[ScottieJ]

Pretty sure all the rossini's I've seen have had carbs.

[twiss]

Hi there,

What letter does the reg start with? My samurai is an L reg and whenever I go to the MOT station I have to argue with them that it never had a injection!

[yarroworchid]

The one I took the engine from for my Sammy was a 94 and carbed so I guess you are OK.

I put her in for an MOT and was told it needs a cat !!! Thanks for your help,I feel they have got it wrong....Thanks again.K

[ScottieJ]

Can you post a photo of the engine up, just to be sure it's not an SPI.

I'm sure it won't be but it's always good to check.

[yarroworchid]

Can you post a photo of the engine up, just to be sure it's not an SPI.

I'm sure it won't be but it's always good to check.

Can't at the moment unfortunately....it's still at the garage ... have spoken to mechanic in the light of earlier replies and he is inclined to agree with me that our MOT ppl are "mistaken" to put it politely. I don't have a problem with the car failing MOT on emissions but I seriously object to being told that by law all vehichles after 1992 need to be fitted with Cats...I even downlloaded the testers guidelines to double check ....fair enough it needs to be tested using the catalyst test but that's hardly the same thing. Was not able to find any info on the original spec for the Rossini but if there isn't one fitted, is it likely a previous owner would remove all trace? I doubt it. I am no mechanic but I'm not a daft woman either. If we don't get this sorted, I will go over to garage and take a pic and re-post, cheers anyway
K

[ScottieJ]

Some MOT testers nowadays are complete idiots, it not like how it used to be when most testers were competent mechanics and testers, now I know people who are barely capable of fixing their own cars yet they hold an MOT card

If it didn't leave the factory with a CAT it doesn't need one, doesn't matter what year it was made in.

[ScottieJ]

Oh and it doesn't need to need CAT emissions limits either, here's the relevant info from http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/E ... dition.pdf

Passenger cars (1) first used on or after 1 August 1992 and mentioned in the Annex to this publication.
All passenger cars first used on or after 1 August 1995.(2)
Other vehicles, such as large passenger cars and light goods vehicles (3), first used on or after 1 August 1994 and mentioned in the Annex to this publication.
For all petrol engined vehicles first used before 1 August 1992, all gas engined vehicles and vehicles other than passenger cars first used before 1 August 1994 the test procedure consists of a metered check at the normal idle speed, the so-called `non-catalyst‟ test.
Some passenger cars first used during the “transition” period (i.e. 1 August 1992 to 1 August 1995) and some light goods vehicles and large passenger cars first used on or after 1 August 1994 were not required to be manufactured to the EC standards requiring advanced emissions control systems to be fitted. For these vehicles the non-catalyst test will be applied. Owners of vehicles which were first used during this transition period, are advised to check the entries in the Annex to this booklet or contact the vehicle manufacturer.


The emissions limits to be met are specified for both the fast and normal idle tests. At fast idle, CO must be at or less than 0.2%, HC at or less than 200 parts per million (ppm), and the lambda value(1) must be between 0.97 and 1.03. At normal idle, CO must be at or less than 0.3%.
Where these limits are not met, a check will be made to identify vehicles (e.g. those without a catalyst) which should only be required to meet the non-catalyst emissions check requirements. If the vehicle does not fall into this category then the analyser will automatically schedule an extended emissions test using the values quoted in Table 1 or Table 2 and the listings in the Annex in this booklet.

Suzuki never supplied emission figures

From 1/8/92 and before 1/8/95 but are not included in the Annex (suzuki's aren't included in the annex)
3.5% vol limit on (CO) Carbon Monoxide
0.12% vol (1200ppm) limit on (HC)3 Hydrocarbon
No specific requirement but engine must not be clearly above its normal idling speed.
No requirement for raised engine speed emissions test.

I suggest you tell your MOT tester to properly read his MOT manual

[Rhinoman]

I know the 92 Sport model had a cat and O2 sensor, it had an electronically controlled carb.