Manual free wheeling hubs

[groundhog]

Have manual free wheeling hubs on sj 413 when I engage them it wants to go straight as if it has diff lock and you are fighting the steering it physicaly wont turn Any ideas ? Im correct in saying that with both front wheels off ground and hubs locked they should both turn and inturn the shaft from the transfer box to the rear should try to move. Can the hubs be put back on incorrectly so they say locked when in fact one isnt ?.On my 410 the drivers side lock position would be at the 5oclock position and the passenger side at the 11.On my 413 both are at the 5 position.Hubs or the axle or transfer box.
Thankyou

[Darrell]

First thing ,don't drive on the tarmac in four wheel drive.
If you do it won't want to turn as you are fighting the transmission.

If you have both front wheels off the floor (hubs in) the chances are when you turn one wheel , the opposite wheel will turn the other direction.
However if you lift just one front wheel (hubs in) and turn it the front drive shaft will turn (if the transfer box is in neutral).

[groundhog]

I had a fourtrak with manual hubs and that one you could drive slowly on tarmac from say field to field and you could tell it was in 4wd but steering would turn the sj is like the steering wheel is tied up.The fourtrak did have power steering mind.will try it on some soft ground and see what it feels like.Is it possible for the outer hub to have been put back on say 180degrees out or are the splines so that it will only locate in one position.Have just got v5 back and the old girl has had 18 owners
Also if the circlip was missing what effect would that have,the shaft cant actualy go anywhere it can only move a bit and cant move enough to come out of the hub splines ?

[Darrell]

I don't think it's possible to assemble them wrong.
I must admit I don't quite understand the clock position part as they are in whatever position the wheel stopped at .
That's your best bet, get on some mud and see what's happening.

[groundhog]

Yes with hindsight the Clock comparison was being thick

[groundhog]

Ok jacked up hubs operate and engage and disengage as they should only thing is that when the hubs arelocked in the prop shaft from the front axle to the transfer box also turns.If i chock one wheel with the hubs locked in its fighting itself

[Boyes]

Was the vehicle modified before you own it? I'd be inclined to say it has a lockright or spool in the front or at worst it's welded..

[ScottieJ]

When the front axle is jacked up so both wheels are off the floor if you spin one wheel and the other wheel spins the opposite way it's a normal open diff. If however both wheels spin the same way it has a Difflock of some sort, welded, lockrite, spool etc.

[groundhog]

Thankyou gentleman yes it was modified and bodged before I got it.Yes both front wheels spinning in same direction appears that the housing has been opened as it has sealant on it.
So why weld the front diff diff lock yes great but effectively you would have to use it in 2wd until you got stuck then claw your way out without being able to turn !.Whats my option then replace the axle does a 410 axle fit .It doesnt have a diff lock does it its a 95 samurai

[ScottieJ]

Most people normally fit a locker/weld the rear, then you get some people who seem to think it's a good idea to weld the front diff when it really isn't unless you only drive offroad in a straight line

410 axles won't fit, your best option is to find a second hand front samurai diff, make sure it's a samurai diff and not a 413 diff though as they have slightly different ratios.