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413 engine top end death rattle, vitara engine fitting??????
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:12 pm
by timpaton
Hi,
I have established that my SJ413 engine has a top end death rattle, is it now time to fit a Vitara lump? i have heard this is a popular mod, and have the following question. Is a conversion plate needed to mate the vitara 1.6 engine to the SJ gearbox, and if this is a problem, can you take an engine and gearbox straight out of a vitara, and mount into an sj without having to chop, and get special props made up, etc?
thanks in advance
Tim
Re: 413 engine top end death rattle, vitara engine fitting??
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:21 pm
by turbo-tom
it is worth putting one in as i am at the moment
heres a link
http://www.suzukiclubuk.co.uk/index.php ... y.php?ID=3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
also you dont have to use the conversion plate , but my one has got one so im going to use it
Re: 413 engine top end death rattle, vitara engine fitting??
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:49 pm
by timpaton
Thanks Tom, nice to see some pictures to explain it.
Question -So if you dont need to fit a conversion plate, then whats the point?
Tim
Re: 413 engine top end death rattle, vitara engine fitting??
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:12 pm
by turbo-tom
it just changes a few of the bolt holes , when twiss comes online i think he might be able to explain more as he hasnt used adapter plate
Re: 413 engine top end death rattle, vitara engine fitting??
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:49 pm
by dan_2k_uk
To do it without an adapter plate you just have to drill out the top holes of the 1.3 gearbox to 12mm to suit the bolts from the 1.6
Then take the studs out of the gearbox and wind them in the opposite side.
You can then weld some studs to them to fit the bottom mounts of the 1.6
Dan
Re: 413 engine top end death rattle, vitara engine fitting??
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:59 am
by twiss
Like dan says, its dead easy to put a 1.6 in...
I did mine in a slightly more caveman fashion though! I drilled the top gearbox bolt holes out...
Then I took the studs out of the gearbox, then I drilled straight through the bottom gearbox holes through the engine casing.
The vitara gearbox has a massive bell housing in comparison with the SJ gearbox, so there is lots of extra engine metal there that you don't need.
Like I say, I drilled through, flattened off with a grinder, and then bolted together! Its been working fine for 3 years
Just a word of advice through, I would probably use nylock nuts... I didn't at first
Hope this helps!
Re: 413 engine top end death rattle, vitara engine fitting??
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:49 pm
by timpaton
Ah, so is it land rover wheels that people fit to SJ's, hence the big oversized look most go for, better traction off road etc? so are landy wheels the same pcd, stud pattern?
Re: 413 engine top end death rattle, vitara engine fitting??
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:34 pm
by twiss
No you can't put landy wheels on an SJ... you can put SJ, vit and daihatsu wheels on though I think!
Re: 413 engine top end death rattle, vitara engine fitting??
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:13 pm
by dan_2k_uk
And kia!