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Suzuki Ignis Engine in a Sammi
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Re: Suzuki Ignis Engine in a Sammi
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Re: Suzuki Ignis Engine in a Sammi
<puts on interrigation hat>
Couple of questions:
Was the gearbox from the jimny from an M13 engined jimny? Did it bolt right up, or did you have to mod the bellhousing in the end? Which clutch/flywheel/starter did you end up going with - M13 or M15? Or are they close enough to being the same it doesn't matter?
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I'd like to keep my current gearbox *if I can* because of it's long 5th gear, which should make cruising on the motorway a bit more economical/less noisy, but it's not a big deal if I can't.
The M15 should be more economical and about 40%+ more torque (assuming I don't do something crazy like go with bike throttlebodies and a megasquirt... Yummmm) so it seems to be (on paper at least) the most sensible swap into a suzi of the era before emissions based tax bands.
Couple of questions:
Was the gearbox from the jimny from an M13 engined jimny? Did it bolt right up, or did you have to mod the bellhousing in the end? Which clutch/flywheel/starter did you end up going with - M13 or M15? Or are they close enough to being the same it doesn't matter?
</interrogation hat>
I'd like to keep my current gearbox *if I can* because of it's long 5th gear, which should make cruising on the motorway a bit more economical/less noisy, but it's not a big deal if I can't.
The M15 should be more economical and about 40%+ more torque (assuming I don't do something crazy like go with bike throttlebodies and a megasquirt... Yummmm) so it seems to be (on paper at least) the most sensible swap into a suzi of the era before emissions based tax bands.
1985 SJ413VX (SJ50V) with SPOA, rear disc brakes, 31x10.5R15 Kaiman Malatesta tyres, an MOT and a lot left to do!
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Re: Suzuki Ignis Engine in a Sammi
Anton,
I had a plan sometime ago to fit Suzuki GSXR 600 carbs as seen on some of the Yank sites, so bought a set, they seem a good fitment if you can get them to work right. But young people and hot hatches don't always go together too well, so this opportunity arrived to fit the M15.
Good questions, and I don't fully know the answers yet.
I believe the Jimny box I have fitted was from a M13 engined one, and yes it does go straight on with no messing about needed. The guy I bought it off really didn't know what I was on about when I started talking engines to him.
I did buy another Jimny box first which must have been from the G series and obviously that doesn't fit so that will be for sale soon.
As for the flywheel, clutch & starter.
My plan was to use all the Ignis stuff (M15) so the starter will mate correctly and the clutch suitable for the additional power etc...
BUT, the splines on the friction plate are too small, so I need to compare it to a Jimny plate and maybe use one of those. I was thinking of a paddle type anyway, so should be able to mix and match.
As for overall gearing, I did the calc's for 31" wheels (which I need to make fit yet), I have a standard 410 box fitted, not lobster. I have two sets of 5.125:1 Vitara diff gears to build into spare axles with a rear Lockright. This all seemed fine with the original engine and box. I need to redo them now I suppose. Probably different ratios, but a lot more revs, power & torque available now
I'm also looking to fit the Ignis rear discs if possible as they have a built in handbrake I seem to remember, (it's so long since I stripped it now)! I do have some SJ fronts to mount if I'm mistaken.
Keep watching the DIY is coming along, so should be back in the garage again soon.
I had a plan sometime ago to fit Suzuki GSXR 600 carbs as seen on some of the Yank sites, so bought a set, they seem a good fitment if you can get them to work right. But young people and hot hatches don't always go together too well, so this opportunity arrived to fit the M15.
Good questions, and I don't fully know the answers yet.
I believe the Jimny box I have fitted was from a M13 engined one, and yes it does go straight on with no messing about needed. The guy I bought it off really didn't know what I was on about when I started talking engines to him.
I did buy another Jimny box first which must have been from the G series and obviously that doesn't fit so that will be for sale soon.
As for the flywheel, clutch & starter.
My plan was to use all the Ignis stuff (M15) so the starter will mate correctly and the clutch suitable for the additional power etc...
BUT, the splines on the friction plate are too small, so I need to compare it to a Jimny plate and maybe use one of those. I was thinking of a paddle type anyway, so should be able to mix and match.
As for overall gearing, I did the calc's for 31" wheels (which I need to make fit yet), I have a standard 410 box fitted, not lobster. I have two sets of 5.125:1 Vitara diff gears to build into spare axles with a rear Lockright. This all seemed fine with the original engine and box. I need to redo them now I suppose. Probably different ratios, but a lot more revs, power & torque available now
I'm also looking to fit the Ignis rear discs if possible as they have a built in handbrake I seem to remember, (it's so long since I stripped it now)! I do have some SJ fronts to mount if I'm mistaken.
Keep watching the DIY is coming along, so should be back in the garage again soon.
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Ignis Sport 1.5 16V; Jimny gearbox, 410 transfer box; 5.125:1 Vitara diffs; rear Lockright, Rob Storr full float rear axle, rear discs, YJ springs, virtual lift, 31" Grizzly Claws, beadlock rims, +50mm LR arches, LED rear lights, LED roof spots, bucket seats, Luke harnesses, internal cage
Ignis Sport 1.5 16V; Jimny gearbox, 410 transfer box; 5.125:1 Vitara diffs; rear Lockright, Rob Storr full float rear axle, rear discs, YJ springs, virtual lift, 31" Grizzly Claws, beadlock rims, +50mm LR arches, LED rear lights, LED roof spots, bucket seats, Luke harnesses, internal cage
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Re: Suzuki Ignis Engine in a Sammi
Superb! Watching with keen interest!
1985 SJ413VX (SJ50V) with SPOA, rear disc brakes, 31x10.5R15 Kaiman Malatesta tyres, an MOT and a lot left to do!
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Re: Suzuki Ignis Engine in a Sammi
This is one very nice swap I must say, probably goin to be the best zook around
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Re: Suzuki Ignis Engine in a Sammi
I think it has the potential to improve fuel consumption whilst gaining 50% power. You can't think of that as anything other than awesome.kiwizook wrote:This is one very nice swap I must say, probably goin to be the best zook around
76lb/ft to 104, 64hp to 108. Better than a Vitara lump, without the higher tax band. Almost diesel levels of torque without all the weight.
I really like the sound of this.
1985 SJ413VX (SJ50V) with SPOA, rear disc brakes, 31x10.5R15 Kaiman Malatesta tyres, an MOT and a lot left to do!
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Re: Suzuki Ignis Engine in a Sammi
Here's some food for thought
http://auszookers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=13515
Build thread
http://www.auszookers.com/forum//viewto ... =4&t=10300
http://auszookers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=13515
Build thread
http://www.auszookers.com/forum//viewto ... =4&t=10300
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Re: Suzuki Ignis Engine in a Sammi
Hmmm, that does seem interesting - that guy likes his engine swaps!
I'd love to see a running M15 in an SJ.
I'd love to see a running M15 in an SJ.
1985 SJ413VX (SJ50V) with SPOA, rear disc brakes, 31x10.5R15 Kaiman Malatesta tyres, an MOT and a lot left to do!
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Re: Suzuki Ignis Engine in a Sammi
Well it would seem an update is well overdue.
I suppose the only update to be said, is there is nothing to report really, other than loads of excuses why I haven't done anything, so I won't bore you with those.
BUT, all being well I should be starting on it again this next weekend
Thanks for the links, just whats needed, but I wish I'd know bout the mix and match engine mounts sooner
But I've got "custom" ones now, and at least its in.
Wiring looks tricky, can't wait for that bit.
I suppose the only update to be said, is there is nothing to report really, other than loads of excuses why I haven't done anything, so I won't bore you with those.
BUT, all being well I should be starting on it again this next weekend
Thanks for the links, just whats needed, but I wish I'd know bout the mix and match engine mounts sooner
But I've got "custom" ones now, and at least its in.
Wiring looks tricky, can't wait for that bit.
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Ignis Sport 1.5 16V; Jimny gearbox, 410 transfer box; 5.125:1 Vitara diffs; rear Lockright, Rob Storr full float rear axle, rear discs, YJ springs, virtual lift, 31" Grizzly Claws, beadlock rims, +50mm LR arches, LED rear lights, LED roof spots, bucket seats, Luke harnesses, internal cage
Ignis Sport 1.5 16V; Jimny gearbox, 410 transfer box; 5.125:1 Vitara diffs; rear Lockright, Rob Storr full float rear axle, rear discs, YJ springs, virtual lift, 31" Grizzly Claws, beadlock rims, +50mm LR arches, LED rear lights, LED roof spots, bucket seats, Luke harnesses, internal cage