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Re: does a 413 head fit a 410 block? + 1.6 8v fitting into 4
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:09 pm
by Ladaman
Or you could have a bit of fun and a challenge fitting an M Series!!
Re: does a 413 head fit a 410 block? + 1.6 8v fitting into 4
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:43 pm
by ScottieJ
Jay18 wrote:thanks scottie! been trying to find out extactly what i need to do the conversion lol....
No worries
I found a pic for you, this is how I did my drivers side mount, just used some angle to extend the existing mount and then plated the end in.
oh and you'll need some 1300 engine mounts
Re: does a 413 head fit a 410 block? + 1.6 8v fitting into 4
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:14 pm
by Jay18
cheers lads, id like to challenge myself but i dont have a workshop or amything to do it in so im trying to do the 1.6 vit as it seems the easiest..
Re: does a 413 head fit a 410 block? + 1.6 8v fitting into 4
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:07 pm
by trotter
as for engine to gearbox fitting have a look at dan_2k's build thread... we've done 3 sammy 1300 gearboxes mated to 1600 vit engines now without using adapter plates.. all you need is some studding and a welder.
http://forum.suzukiclubuk.co.uk/vi ... /start,50/
Re: does a 413 head fit a 410 block? + 1.6 8v fitting into 4
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:09 pm
by trotter
oh and a 1300 head will fit on a 1600 block it just makes it a interference engine rather than non-interference
Re: does a 413 head fit a 410 block? + 1.6 8v fitting into 4
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:41 am
by ScottieJ
trotter wrote:oh and a 1300 head will fit on a 1600 block it just makes it a interference engine rather than non-interference
If they are both 8V then it won't be.
I'm a bit confused that you found this, Shuduck on pirate4x4 used to run a 1.3 8v head on a 1.6 16V block and his didn't end up an interference engine even with a shaved head? but I'm not sure if he swapped the pistons or not, he didn't mention that he had?
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/suzuki/6 ... heads.html
Re: does a 413 head fit a 410 block? + 1.6 8v fitting into 4
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:59 am
by twiss
Just a quick point... the fact that the 16v engine is an interference engine is sort of a misleading one.
The 16v engine based on a G16A engine like mine is a non-interference design, whereas the 16v engine based on the G16B engine IS an interference engine
The difference is that the G16A 16v is a Single Point Injection engine, whereas the G16B 16v is multipoint injection I believe
The G16A 16v seems to be less common, which I think is why people think all the 16v engines are interference
Re: does a 413 head fit a 410 block? + 1.6 8v fitting into 4
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:20 am
by ScottieJ
Twiss none of the G series 1.6 16vs are interference
we're talkin about 16v heads on 8v blocks and vice versa
Re: does a 413 head fit a 410 block? + 1.6 8v fitting into 4
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:36 pm
by twiss
Yeah after our little discussion we've come to that conclusion, although it would be nice to test it if someone has a G16B engine lying around!
My engine is a 16v head on top of an 8v block
(16v G16a engine has same block as 8v G16a engine)
Re: does a 413 head fit a 410 block? + 1.6 8v fitting into 4
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:27 pm
by ScottieJ
But being a stock 16v engine it will have the pistons for a 16v fitted, they have 4 recesses for the valves instead of two, anyway all G16 blocks are the same, the internals can vary but the casting is the same.
What trotter and I are on about is running a 8 v head on a 16v bottom end without swapping the pistons