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Re: help needed

Post by twiss » Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:08 am

Not 100% on the 410 dizzy, but on my sammy the wires come out of the dizzy body, yes
You're right about the diode, but you should be able to run it without the noise supressor as I believe that's just for the radio's benefit
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Re: help needed

Post by kiwizook » Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:25 pm

so what sort of specs does the diode need to be to not blow up?
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Re: help needed

Post by Rhinoman » Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:12 pm

It should just about start without the feed from the starter if its not cold. Have you got a condenser fitted? its a long time since I looked at a 410 dizzy but I have a feeling that the condenser is in the noise suppressor so you would need that fitted.

Edit: the wiring diagrams in the electrical section indicate that the condenser is separate so it might be worth checking/changing that.
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Re: help needed

Post by Darrell » Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:25 pm

Yep, don't worry about the noise suppressor.
Just for testing by-pass the ballast resistor, the longer it's connected like this the hotter it will get though.
The diode is nothing special, but does need to be able to carry the current the coil needs.
I have no idea how much this is though :er:
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Re: help needed

Post by Darrell » Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:59 pm

Well as far as I can find out the coil is 1.5 ohm
The ballast resistor is 1.5 ohm

So I think on cranking the coil can draw 8amps (seems very high :er: )

I see you can get 10amp diodes on fleebay easy enough.



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Re: help needed

Post by kiwizook » Thu Nov 28, 2013 6:11 am

so it seems I don't need to worry about the capacitor, and I got a 6 amp diode today, this was the biggest the guy stocked, so I hope it doesn't blow on me :D
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Re: help needed

Post by Darrell » Thu Nov 28, 2013 7:04 am

I would expect that to be OK, as it should only be carrying current for a short time.

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Re: help needed

Post by kiwizook » Thu Nov 28, 2013 7:24 am

you're a legend darell, thanks so much
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Re: help needed

Post by Rhinoman » Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:47 am

From that it looks like the coil is a 6V coil, which is unusual, Euro coils tend to be 9V. While cranking the battery voltage will drop down to around 9V, you'll lose about 1V across the diode so the coil current will be 8/(1.5) = 5.3A max.
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Re: help needed

Post by kiwizook » Sun Dec 01, 2013 6:25 pm

okay guys, I'm going to wire her up tonight, and we'll see if it's showtime!
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